This is the copy of CERN Visitor Info wiki page for the US ATLAS community
See also LivingAtCERN for more general info about living in the CERN area.
This wiki has been created as a central portal for information useful to external users coming to CERN for either short (few weeks or months) or extended (few years) visits. It written and maintained by *Alexia Malard-Leyval on behalf of U. S. ATLAS., although she is not responsible for any lack of information given here, she will be happy to have your feedback and suggestions.*
You MUST get both visas BEFORE arriving at Cern, please start the process 2 to 3 MONTHS in advancePlease bring your wedding certificate if you are married and birth certificate of your children + vaccination carnetsVisas Procedure for France and Switzerland
Short term stays
You usually don't need swiss temporary "letter of invitation" for stays less than 3 months with an American passport but you will need a "french Protocole d'accord" if you intend to live in France and as many people end up with living on the french side you'd better ask for this "Protocole". If you are NOT US citizen you will need both swiss "Letter of invitation" AND "french Protocole d'accord" to come, even for less that 3 months.
For France : Fill the form for EACH member of the family
For Switzerland : Fill in the form requested for EACH member of the family
Forms to fill in : http://atlassec.web.cern.ch/atlassec/ATLAS_Visa.htm
All stays of more than 8 days for those countries will require a french "Protocole d'accueil"
Long term stays
You must fill in both swiss Letter of invitation and french Note verbale forms and send them back to Connie POTTER at CERN to start the process of getting visas, start the process 3 months in advance, you always need both visas since you never know in which place you will live
Once arriving at Cern, please go to register at User's Office in building 61, R 020, ground floor next to the main restaurant.
You can also pick up some useful information from the User's Office such as public transport and accomodation in the area.
For any computing opening account, please contact ATLAS secretariat in building 40-4-D01
Housing can appear to be quite hard and sometimes expensive around Geneva.
When looking for a place here, NEVER send any money in advance to book a place before arriving at CERN.
Contact for any housing help Alexia Leyval located in ATLAS secretariat, building 40, 4th floor Office D 01 : 73449
PRICE RANGE FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL APARTMENTSFrance : Room to share : around 500 euros Studio : between 1050 euros 1 bedroom apartment : between 1450 euros 2 bedroom apartment : between 1700 and 2300 euros 3 bedroom apartment or house : more than 2000 euros
Switzerland : Room to share : around 750 chf Studio : between 900 and 1200 chf 1 bedroom apartment : between 2500 and 3000 chf 2 bedroom apartment : between 3500 and 4000 chf 3 bedroom apartment : more than 4000 chf
PRICE RANGE FOR LONG TERM RENTAL APARTMENTSFrance : Room to share : around 500 euros Studio : between 600 and 800 euros 1 bedroom apartment : between 850 and 1150 euros 2 bedroom apartment : between 1200 and 1500 euros 3 bedroom apartment : more than 1500 euros House with 3 to 4 bedrooms : 1800 - 2200 euros
Switzerland : Room to share : around 750 chf Studio : between 900 and 1200 chf 1 bedroom apartment : between 1300 and 1700 chf 2 bedroom apartment : between 1800 and 2300 chf 3 bedroom apartment : more than 3000 chf House with 3 to 4 bedrooms : 5000 - 8000 chf
Tel : 00 41 22 767 34 49 // Fax : 00 41 22 767 83 50
You can also have a look on the Cern housing service offers direct from owners in France and in Switzerland
Short term accomodation
NOTICE : It is usually hard to find a furnished short term place either France or Switzerland, reservations have to be done 3 to 4 months in advance.
Both French and Swiss agencies and owners are very careful with the cleaning of their places when people arrive AND leave.
Be aware that your security deposit (2 months rental) can be taken if the apartment is not clean enough when you leave it.
Cleaning companies in France
Top Services in Segny 36 r Velle 01170 SÉGNY .04 50 41 73 79 mobile : .06 86 40 42 70 //
AD netoyage in Ornex bât C1 135 r Berges du Lion 01210 ORNEX mobile : .06 26 20 52 66 //
France net in Gex 19 chemin Emboussoir 01170 GEX tél-fax : .04 50 41 50 51 //
Gex netoyage 14 rue de l'horloge 01170 GEX .04 50 99 05 46 mobile : .06 77 89 70 70 //
I sometimes work with a cheap cleaning lady in Ferney, her telephone : 06 32 30 78 95
Cleaning companies in Switzerland
Rodriguez, Ricardo, rue de Lyon 8, 1201 Genève/GE, *022 345 02 37 //
Gil Yanez Entreprise de nettoyages, rue Daubin 27, 1203 Genève/GE, *022 345 08 92 //
Da Costa, Manuel, entreprise de nettoyage, rue Voltaire 29, 1201 Genève/GE,*022 345 90 12
Rent a car in Switzerland
Recommendations are to rent a car in the country you will be staying to reduce problems crossing the borderAt Cern : Cern cars with Cern logo are not any more available unless you sublet one from another group.
Cern cars are usually always booked far in advance (3 months), no obligation of full a year rental.
Hertz cars are also available at Cern contacting the transport department :
You can also contact http://www.patricklocation.ch/ which is usually cheaper than normal rate (from 540 chf per month)
Rent a car in France
Ferney Voltaire : Budget : 04 50 40 67 87, around 650 euros per month
Autohire : 04 50 42 88 41 , 440 euros per month for more than 3 months
St Jean de Gonville : Opel rent : 04 50 56 39 87, 600 euros per month for more than 6 months.
If you live in France, you need to take your car insurance in France. You will need to get a 2 year certificate of "good driver" to get cheap prices.
Azur Assurance in St Genis, Maryline speaks english : 04 50 28 41 41
Cabinet Stephane Pibouleau in St genis : 04 50 42 16 32
MAIF, htttp://maif.fr/ (no local agent): 04 74 22 80 50 (CERN users, even without a certificate of "good driver", get a "bonus-malus" coeficient of 1.00)
For general information on insurance : http://www.assurance-info.com/
In Geneva : Swisslife - Generalli - Helsanna - you can compare various offers on www.comparis.ch
TCS also offers a travel insurance that included repatriation of cars, emergency medical repatriation and trip cancelation
US and canadian citizens can only open a bank account at UBS if they live in Switzerland for long term and have gone to the OCP, office cantonal de la population to declare themselfs as living in Switzerland, in any cases they will have to go to the main offices of UBS rue du Rhone in Geneva, they can also get in touch with Mr Mangio at UBS CERN to get more informations : 022 783 21 87. They can still open a bank account at the postfinance at Cern but can't make a security deposit for apartments there.
For France I strongly advise the LCL, credit Lyonnais in St Genis Pouilly or in Ferney which has special rates with no taxes for coming dollars and a very good offer for students at 1 euros for the credit card and the account opening for the 1st year.
If you have an accident or a health problem AT CERN, please contact immediately the infirmary 73802 or mobile phone 163438,
there you will see a doctor and he/she eventually will call an ambulance if necessary.
If you can manage to see a doctor or even have an X-ray on your own, we strongly recommend that you go to France, St genis Pouilly or also Ferney Voltaire. It will cost you around 50 euros for leg X-ray and 22 euros for a visit to the doctor.
The cost in Switzerland is around 300 CHF for both X-ray and doctor visit at the Hospital de la TourBe very carefull that you may have to pay the total amount of your bill before leaving the Hospital in Switzerland, and the amount can be huge, the only insurance known by hospitals here are CIGNA and BLUE CROSS, for all the rest the patient will have to pay himself and be paid back after by his insurance For example, for an appendecity, recently patients were asked to pay over 20 000 dollars before leaving the Hospital ! you must look into travel insurance not only to guarantee entry but also the ability to leave the Hospital.
Useful numbers in France
SAMU 15 FIRE 18 POLICE 17
X-ray/SCAN, cabinet de radiologie Musitelli
46 av République 01630 SAINT GENIS POUILLY / Tel : 04 50 28 27 27 fax : 04 50 20 69 80
X-ray/SCAN, Cabinet Musitelli
40 av Jura 01210 FERNEY VOLTAIRE / Tel : 04 50 40 51 23 fax : 04 50 40 41 24
All doctors listed by their specialties in Ferney and St Genis are available on http://www.pagesjaunes.fr/trouverlesprofessionnels/index.doPharmacies
In Ferney Voltaire Rue de la Poterie : 04 50 40 97 44 //// 5 avenue Voltaire : 04 50 40 72 10
Hospitals in France
Hopital Intercommunal Sud Leman à St Julien en Genevois
Amédée VIII de Savoie 74164 ST JULIEN EN GENEVOIS
Tel : 04 50 49 65 65 / fax : 04 50 49 66 70
Emergencies open 24 hours
Centre Intercommunal Annemasse / Bonneville
64 av Genève 74130 BONNEVILLE
Tel : 04 50 87 47 47
Emergencies open 24 hours
Ambulance 144 Fire 118 Police 117 Poisoning 145
SOS doctor +41-22 748 4950 or +41-22 322 2020
Hopital de la Tour (10 minute walking distance from CERN) emergencies : 022 719 61 11
Medical centres) with emergency rooms open 24 hours
21, rue Chantepoulet
+41 (0)22/731 2120
1, rue du Jura
+41 (0)22/345 4550
17, rue de Carouge
+41 (0)22/329 5656
Help for rape victims
+41 (0)22 345 2020
You can consult a directory of doctors at:
Hospitals in Switzerland
24 rue Micheli-du-Crest, 1205 Geneva
Tél. +41-22 372 3311
This is the main hospital in Geneva. It is part of the Hôpitaux Universitaires de Genève (HUG).
Web site www.hug-ge.ch/www/fr/webhug.nsf
HÔPITAL DE LA TOUR
3 avenue J.D. Maillard, 1217 Meyrin
Tel. +41 (0)22 719 6111 / Fax +41 (0)22 719 6112
Web site www.latour.ch/
If you live in France, you can also have French insurance which covers you in France and in Switzerland , which can cost between 100 and 200 euros per month depending on the % of reimbursement you choose.
Azur Assurance in St Genis, Maryline speaks english : 04 50 28 41 41
Cabinet Stephane Pibouleau in St genis : 04 50 42 16 32
You can pay all your invoices at the post office, in France and in Switzerland.
You can also set up an automatic transfer from your bank.
CERN offers French lessons for users from rank beginners on up. The courses are offered three times per year (but the summer course is for beginners only). The courses fill up, so register early. Contact Nathalie Dumeaux in Human Resources to sign up. The cost (Fall 2007 for 60hrs total) is 780CHF and the class meets three times/week for two hours.
In addition, Geneva is a very international city and there are many places to take French lessons outside of CERN (Berlitz and Ecole-club Migros, Ipage).
In Ferney Voltaire http://www.thelanguagecenter.fr/
Depending on the city where you live your child will automatically be enrolled for free in the public school of your town when he/she turns 3 during the civil year, all the classes will be in french but there are always some US or British people in the classrooms.
In Ferney Voltaire, the Lycee International has special agreement with Cern, admitting your child automatically in a class, level based on exams to take once you arrive.
In Gex, the private school Jeanne d'Arc is also very good, not very expansive, with a Bi-langues section from 12 years old.
All the Swiss schools are free and will take your children even in the middle of a school year.
General information about schooling in Geneva can be found on the official city website where you will find links to both public and private schools : http://www.cagi.ch/en/Classes_accueil_Geneve.htm
There are also many private schools which are quite expansive in Geneva, most of them allow entry regardless of whether you reside in Switzerland or France.
International School of Geneva has three independent campuses. They will admit your child based on availability of space. It is expensive (as are all the private schools) : http://www.ecolint.ch/ecolint/ch/FR-CH/index.cfm
College du Leman - in Versoix, just outside Geneva toward Lausanne : http://www.cdl.ch/Default.asp?bhcp=1
Geneva English School : http://www.geneva-english-school.ch/
Institut International du Grand Lancy : http://iil.ch/
- CHILDCARE FOR CHILDREN UNDER 3
You have several solutions to look after your young child who still do not go to school, before 3 in France and before 4 in Switzerland.
1)Whether having a nany at home, you will find many offers in the various supermarkets of your town for nanies coming to your place.
2)Or bringing your child to the house of an "agreed nany" (assistante maternelle agrée in french), you will find the official list of those ladies at the city hall of your town residence.
1)A french family, even working in Switzerland, having his baby with an "assistante maternelle agree" does not pay any charges as the "Pajemploi" association is paying for her the various additional taxes over the salary of the nanny.
2)A foreign family, living in France and working in Switzerland can't have the Pajemploi help but can have a taxes credit of 1150 euros per year, the money is given back by the government 1 year after the income tax declaration even if they have no income taxed in France AND the family can have another help from an association called ADI linked to the CAF (caisse d'allocations familiales in France), special help for foreign families living in France and working abroad, I don't know yet the amount and you must fill in all the form for the CAF asking precisely for this help ADI : http://www.caf.fr/pdfj/pajecmg0.pdf
If you want to declare the nanny to the government you may have some aditional taxes of 80% of the salary so be careful, come to see me before signing any contract for childcare, french citizens have help from the government to pay those taxes but most of the foreigners don't, the only help you have is a Tax refund after 1 year of maximum 1250 euros per year per child
The rates per month are between 600 and 700 euros on an average base for a full time.
3)Bringing your child to a "creche", Cern has one but only for children more than 3 year old, you can also try 2 inernational creches in St Genis Pouilly in France: "le jardin de Zebulon": http://www.lejardindezebulon.com/ "le Jardin de Capucine" : http://www.lejardindecapucine.com/
- CHILDREN ACTIVITIESSwitzerlandhttp://www.genevefamille.ch/qsPortal/Home.asp?N=78211http://www.baby-gym.ch/http://www.villagecamps.com/fr/ch_over.htmlFrancehttp://www.croque-loisirs.com/
- ENGLISH SPEAKING SUMMER CAMPS
Camps where English is spoken
http://www.msmcamps.com/ : Multi-Sports Mania - a day camp with a wide variety of activities in different venues. Dropoff/pickup point very convenient to CERN at Meyrin squash club.
http://www.intersoccer.ch/modules/news2/ : Intersoccer - soccer day camps, after school, vacation programs etc. Outdoor locations each side of Geneva
The International School of Geneva has summer day camp programs at two (as of 2007) campuses:
After 1 year you will have to make yourself known with the "centre des impots" of your department.
Then you have to fill in a special form, Formulaire 2042 pour declaration impots, you may have to pay taxes depending on your personal situation and salary of course, there are special taxes exemptions for foreign scientists living in France for 2 years.
Once on that page, ask the formulaire 2042 remplissable so you can print it and fill it
1)Put your name and correct adress, date and sign on the first page
2)On page 2 at the end, in "renseignements complémentaires" , you must write those words :
Membre du personnel du CERN assujetti à l’impôt interne du CERN et, à ce titre, exonéré d’impôt sur les traitements et émoluments versés par le CERN
And add your net salary for the past year in France if possible in euros, put the minimum net salary without taxes or allowances.
4)On page 4 (last page) at the end, cross 8FV (revenus d'organismes internationnaux)
You will also have to pay a "living tax" for your house, this tax is due when you are in the place on the 1st of January of the year, this tax can be from 200 euros up to 1000 euros depending of the size of the place you are in.
There is another tax for TV owners if you declare you have one.
You live in Switzerland
After one year working here, you will have to make yourself known at the "Office cantonal de la population".
You may have to pay some taxes on your income depending on your personal situation and your salary level.
-- AlexUndrus - 9 May 2011 - copy of Alexia Leyval's page at CERN (dated 7 Nov 2007)
-- AlexiaLeyval - 24 April 2012 (last update)
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